On Friday’s episode of HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Daily Wire Editor Emeritus Ben Shapiro stumped CNN commentator and former state Rep. Bakari Sellers (D-SC) in a debate on “systematic racism.”

First, Sellers took the stance that “systemic racism” in 2024 has made life worse for black Americans than it was during the time of Jim Crow laws, citing black home ownership statistics. “I can make the case for that being the welfare state,” Shapiro interjected.

Sellers then quickly argued that “systems of injustice and oppression” in the U.S., citing “food deserts,” poor infrastructure, and the lack of “clean water” in black areas.

“Bakari,” Shapiro again interjected, “is your life as a black man worse or better than it would have been had you been born in 1920?”

The CNN commentator suggested they are worse, saying his father “feels like things in this country are at 1954.”

“If I were to say to you, as a Jew, that the experience of Jews in the United States today is worse than the experience of Jews in Europe in 1939, I would not be stating accurately — it is not true,” Shapiro responded. “And it’s also not true to say that the experience of black people in America in 2024 is worse, on a general level, than the experience of black men in 1954 in Alabama.”

Sellers stayed adamant in his position, moving on to talk about the high rate of African American female mortality in childbirth.

Shapiro told the former rep that “black people in the United States have a lower household income, median household income.”

“I would call bulls***, because it actually crosses [over] socioeconomic lines,” Sellers responded.

“Then white doctors are racist?” Shapiro answered, to which Sellers argued that “implicit bias in our healthcare delivery system” is to blame.

“[And it] would have nothing to do with the rates of, say, pregnant obesity by various communities?” Shapiro said. “There are many, many confounds when it comes to these particular issues. And unless you remove the statistical confounds, you end up with trying to blame vague, shadowy figures like ‘implicit bias,’ which are insanely difficult, if not impossible to measure.”

“I don’t know what he just said,” Sellers said.

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NEW: Ben Shapiro and Bill Maher hammer former SC state Rep. Bakari Sellers who claimed ‘systemic racism’ is getting worse for black Americans.

Sellers: “One of my major political issues is African American female mortality…”

Shapiro: “That’s also true in Europe, by the way.”… pic.twitter.com/NjSqN22C1S

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The moment went viral online, as some folks brought up Sellers recently stating on ABC’s “The View” that Shapiro lacks the “intellect” to have “honest discussion.”

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How it started: How it’s going: pic.twitter.com/C8MigJzoLq

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Related: Ben Shapiro Blasts CNN’s Bakari Sellers, Busts Media Narrative That No One Knew About Biden’s Deteriorating Health

Daily Wire Emeritus and bestselling author Ben Shapiro swiped CNN commentator and former state Rep. Bakari Sellers (D-SC) during an appearance on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” on Friday. 

The back and forth started when Shapiro noted that Democrats are in the worst possible position after President Joe Biden’s news conference following a NATO summit on Thursday, since the president did just well enough to argue he shouldn’t be dumped by the party, while still being incoherent at times. The conservative quipped that Biden is “mostly dead, which is still slightly alive — which is exactly what you’re looking for if you’re a Republican.”

Astonishingly, Sellers, in response, went to bat for Biden and told Shapiro he has “no reason” to believe Biden wouldn’t finish out a second term. “Really?” Shapiro, with a smile on his face, said to Sellers. “No Reason? Zero Reason?”

Host Bill Maher even swooped in and told Sellers, “I’m surprised you’re carrying this kind of water [for Biden].”

The former state rep responded that Biden “is the nominee” and said the focus on Biden’s decline is a “failure of our foundation in media.” 

“The media covered it up for like two years,” Shapiro responded. 

“Really? No Reason? Zero Reason?”@benshapiro to Bakari Sellers after he claims there is no reason to believe Biden can’t finish a second term on @RealTimers. pic.twitter.com/pG4ZBBqF5a

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) July 13, 2024

Shapiro also took on the Left’s latest narrative that no one knew about how bad the president’s mental decline was until his disastrous debate two weeks ago. He explained that folks on the Right have been talking about Biden’s deterioration for years, contrary to the Democrats and their allies in the media’s claims. 

“I want to know why it is that for two long years, anyone who pointed out that [Biden] was very unlikely to finish a second term was labeled as some sort of crazy kook,” Shapiro said. “Do you know how many leaks have come out in the last three weeks alone about the kind of insanity that has been going on at the White House?”

The conservative went on to detail recent leaks that seem to evidence a coverup of the issue by some in the White House.

“They haven’t had a cabinet meeting in nine months!” he said. “Why did it take until now for us to find that out? We know the foreign leaders in 2022 were going to meetings with him, and they were bewildered about what they were seeing. Why are we finding this out now?”

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.@benshapiro on @RealTimers about the broad-scale media cover-up of Biden’s quickly declining health.

“I want to know why it is that for two long years, anyone who pointed out that [Biden] was very unlikely to finish a second term was labeled as some sort of crazy kook. Do you… pic.twitter.com/z1HA9Ht8hm

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) July 13, 2024

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