UFO Whistleblower Claims ‘Firsthand Access’ To Things He Can’t Talk About Publicly

Retired Air Force Maj. David Grusch, a former U.S. intelligence and military official who claims the government is covering up a UFO retrieval program, said he gained “firsthand access” to information that he cannot discuss publicly.

The comment, made by the whistleblower during an interview on BBC Radio 4’s “The World Tonight” alongside his lawyer, offered a rebuttal of sorts to detractors who fault Grusch for pinning his public claims on other knowledgeable individuals with whom he has allegedly conferred. In a pre-recorded interview, as aired on Thursday, the host asked Grusch how he could “know” the U.S. government is hiding crafts of non-human origin, as Grusch claims, if he has not seen them.

“There’s certain things that I have first-hand access to that I can’t publicly discuss at this time,” Grusch said. “However, myself and other colleagues interviewed 40 individuals, both current and former, highly distinguished intelligence and military personnel that were specifically on the programs. And those who were willing, I directed to the Intelligence Community inspector general so the inspector general is able to interview these people that do have direct, firsthand information.”

Though some members of Congress — such as Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) — are eager to investigate the matter further, the air of mystery which prevails despite Grusch’s bombshell allegations has driven some skepticism, particularly after the whistleblower’s appearance before a House Oversight panel last week when he insisted that there was certain information he could not divulge to lawmakers outside of a classified setting.

“I always love it when you have somebody who comes forward and testifies about things that they don’t know anything about,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Turner (R-OH) said on “Sunday Morning Futures” after Fox anchor Maria Bartiromo played a clip of Grusch talking about there being non-human “biologics” in some of the UFO recoveries, allegedly based on what he was told by people involved in the program.

“I mean, the most, I think, striking aspect of all of the testimony was repeatedly, over and over again, the whistleblowers had to say: Actually, I don’t have any knowledge of this. Somebody else told me that,” Turner added. “I mean, really, it — this would take thousands and thousands of people for such an unbelievable cover-up to be occurring. And for people to speak with such confidence over something that they do not know is, I think, something certainly everybody needs to be concerned about.”

Asked if he could say aliens are not on Earth, Turner said, “I certainly can’t tell you that there are no aliens here.” He then turned his attention back to Grusch, saying, “I can tell you that, certainly, there’s no evidence that what the gentleman is testifying about, he has — he said himself personally he has no direct knowledge of,” and declared that China poses a bigger threat than the prospect of aliens on Earth.

The Debrief broke the story back in early June that Grusch, who helped lead efforts to study unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) for years, claimed to have been denied access when he sought information about an alleged multi-decade retrieval and reverse-engineering program that he now says has been illegally kept from Congress. The report said a whistleblower reprisal investigation has been opened and noted that Grusch has provided classified information such as names and locations to the Intelligence Community Inspector General and congressional intelligence committee staff.

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During his interview with BBC Radio, Grusch offered insight into why he came forward. It is “very important for the public at large to understand their place in the cosmos, their place in the universe,” Grusch said, adding that the government should be “held accountable for potentially over classifying or misclassifying basic science.”

The Department of Defense has released a statement insisting that its All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which has been tasked with investigating UFOs, “has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”

Grusch offered some reasons why the government may want to cover up a UFO retrieval program.

“It goes back 80-90 years ago when this was first created and they translated some of the secrecy of the Manhattan Project onto this subject because they weren’t sure how ontologically shocking it was going to be to the world populace,” he said. “And then, two, as you can imagine, it’s a Pandora’s Box for potential military and weapons development-type reverse-engineering activities, so they decided to keep it under wraps for many years.”

Grusch also dismissed the notion that only the U.S. government may be hiding UFOs, saying, “It does cross into other countries and other allies, to include the Five Eyes alliance, which is something I’ve already stated publicly. The media reporting bias and societal transparency is a little different in the U.S. That’s the crux of what most people hear, but it is certainly not an American issue.”

The BBC Radio airing of the interview ended with Grusch being asked to respond to AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick writing a statement that the congressional UAP hearing last week was “insulting” to members of his team and that none of the witnesses who testified were ever a representative to AARO, which Kirkpatrick claimed was contrary to statements made in the testimony.

Grusch’s opening statement said that in recent years, he was the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency’s “co-lead in Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and trans-medium object analysis, as well as reporting to UAP Task Force (UAPTF) and eventually the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).”

“Dr. Kirkpatrick oversaw our activities and what we were doing and the money we were spending,” Grusch told BBC Radio. “I never said I was a part of the core team, so I believe it was just lost in translation or misconstrued.”

Newsom Silent After DeSantis Accepts Debate Challenge

California Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom stayed radio silent on Thursday after Florida Governor Ron Desantis accepted his debate challenge this week.

Newsom, seemingly looking to boost his national profile ahead of potentially jumping into the 2024 presidential race, challenged DeSantis in June to a debate.

“I’m all in. Count on it,” Newsom told Fox News host Sean Hannity, saying that he would agree to a three-hour debate with only “one day’s notice with no notes.”

During an appearance on the network Wednesday night, DeSantis responded to the challenge: “Absolutely, I’m game.”

“Let’s get it done. Just tell me when and where we’ll do it,” DeSantis said as the audience cheered. “In one respect, the debate between California and Florida has already been had, as you suggest, people have been voting on that, they’ve been voting on it with their feet, they have fled California in record numbers.”

Yet nearly 24 hours since accepting the challenge, Newsom has remained silent. The Daily Wire reached out to his team and did not receive a response in time for publication. A source familiar with the matter indicated that Newsom had not reached out to DeSantis’ team either.

The debate between California and Florida is already over. People have been voting with their feet for years.

But the debate about the future of our country is one we need to have.

I'm game to talk about my plans to reverse the decline in this country anytime, anywhere, because… pic.twitter.com/BbUKix8s5E

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) August 3, 2023

DeSantis highlighted the contrast between the two states during the interview, including Florida having the top economy in the country, being ranked number one in education, having a 50-year-low crime rate, and being ranked number one for net in-migration.

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“But in another sense, this is the debate for the future of our country because you have people like Joe Biden, they would love to see the Californication of the United States,” he continued. “Biden may not even be the nominee. You could have Gavin Newsom, you could have Kamala Harris. And I think if we go down that direction, that’s going to accelerate American decline. We can’t see America decline anymore. We need to reverse.”

Newsom sent a proposal for the debate to Fox News last week that included the following:

This debate will include Governor Gavin Newsom and Governor Ron DeSantis. There will be no other speakers in the debate. The moderator will be Sean Hannity. There will be no other moderators for this debate. This will be a 90 minute debate in studio, aired by Fox News. The debate will be aired live. Participants (Governors) will not use any notes or bring any prepared documents on stage. There will be a pen and a pad of paper for each Governor to use during the program. Staff will not brief participants once the program has begun.

The proposal listed three swing states as possible locations: Georgia, Nevada, and North Carolina.

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