Podcaster Joe Rogan absolutely destroyed a recent New York Times headline that warned about the dangers of the U.S. Constitution, suggesting that there’s no amount of “gaslighting” the news organization could do to make him see their side.

During “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast, Rogan and his guest evolutionary biologist, podcaster, and author Dr. Bret Weinstein talked about the headline that read, “The Constitution Is Sacred. Is It Also Dangerous?”

“One of the biggest threats to America’s politics might be the country’s founding document,” the subheadline added.

“This isn’t the Babylon Bee,” Rogan told his guest, referencing the satire news source. “This is an actual New York Times article.”

“This is so crazy. It’s really hard to believe that someone would print this and the New York Times would say ‘yeah we like it, put it out there,'” he added, reading the headline and subhead. “What the f*** are you talking about?”

“One of the biggest threats to America’s politics might be one of the greatest documents that any country was ever founded on if not the greatest ever,” Rogan continued. “That could be a threat to America’s politics? What politics are we talking about?”

Rogan asked how the NYT could “possibly gaslight me enough to go along with you on this?”

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Weinstein called it “incredible,” noting how on one hand, it was “completely predictable” because “there’s obviously an authoritarian force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do.”

“So, of course they’re, like, scratching their heads like, ‘can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get rid of that thing?’ And of course, if you’re a normal thinking person, this is complete insanity,” he added. “But if you’re a New York Times reader, I’m sure that fits with the kind of ethos that’s been cultivated.”

The podcast host then suggested this is why a person like former President Donald Trump is so important to the Left because they can claim his return to the White House is a so-called “imminent threat,” allowing them to justify headlines that claim the Constitution is “dangerous” or that it’s time to get rid of things like the First and Second Amendments.

Telegram founder and CEO Pavel Durov released a statement late this week addressing the numerous criminal charges that he faces in France after he was arrested there last month.

French authorities detained the 39-year-old Russian billionaire late last month when his private jet landed in the country as part of an investigation into alleged offenses stemming from his refusal to cooperate with law enforcement officials investigating crimes occurring on the encrypted communication platform.

Durov said in a statement that the allegations that he was not complying with law enforcement requests were “surprising” for multiple reasons, including:

Telegram has an official representative in the EU that accepts and replies to EU requests. Its email address has been publicly available for anyone in the EU who googles “Telegram EU address for law enforcement.” The French authorities had numerous ways to reach me to request assistance. As a French citizen, I was a frequent guest at the French consulate in Dubai. A while ago, when asked, I personally helped them establish a hotline with Telegram to deal with the threat of terrorism in France. If a country is unhappy with an internet service, the established practice is to start a legal action against the service itself. Using laws from the pre-smartphone era to charge a CEO with crimes committed by third parties on the platform he manages is a simplistic approach. Building technology is hard enough as it is. No innovator will ever build new tools if they know they can be personally held responsible for potential abuse of those tools.

Durov was charged with complicity in the administration of an online platform that allows organized crime groups to conduct illicit transactions; refusal to cooperate with law enforcement when he is required to by law; complicity in organized fraud, distributing hacking software, child pornography, and illicit drugs; and other crimes.

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He claimed that his company tries to work with governments to strike the right balance between cooperating with law enforcement entities and protecting users’ privacy, but sometimes there are disagreements to the point where Telegram pulls out from a country altogether.

He claimed that authorities were “confused by where to send requests” to his company.

“But the claims in some media that Telegram is some sort of anarchic paradise are absolutely untrue,” he said. “We take down millions of harmful posts and channels every day. We publish daily transparency reports. We have direct hotlines with NGOs to process urgent moderation requests faster.”

He said that the company’s rapid growth has made it harder to keep up with clamping down on criminal activity, but vowed that the company was seeking to do better.