Former Vice President Mike Pence declared on Sunday that the days of America needing affirmative action are “over” following the Supreme Court’s ruling last week that two colleges that were using race as a determining factor in the admissions process acted illegally.

Pence made the remarks during an ABC News interview on “This Week” with host Jonathan Karl.

“But if the end result is that America’s most selective colleges and universities have fewer Black and Hispanic students, is that a problem for America?” Karl asked.

“Well, look, I think I couldn’t be more proud of the progress we’ve made toward a more perfect union in my lifetime, the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s,” Pence said. “And I think there was a time for affirmative action, Jon, were to open the doors of our colleges and universities to minority students and particularly African Americans who may have been denied access.”

“But I think those days are over,” he continued. “You know, it was Justice Sandra Day O’Connor who more than 20 years ago, said that she thought affirmative action would go away in 25 years, it went away a little sooner than that. And I think that’s a tribute to our minority students. The incredible accomplishments of African Americans and Asian Americans in this country and Hispanic Americans speaks for itself.”

He added, “And I really believe that the decision by the Supreme Court today was an acknowledgement of the incredible progress that minority Americans have made, their extraordinary educational achievements, and I have every confidence that – that African Americans and other minority Americans are going to continue to compete and succeed in universities around the country, but we’re going to do it with a colorblind society that I – I think is the aspiration of every American.”

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Former vice president and 2024 GOP presidential hopeful Mike Pence celebrates the Supreme Court's landmark ruling on college admissions, telling @JonKarl that he thought "there was a time for affirmative action."

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— This Week (@ThisWeekABC) July 2, 2023

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JONATHAN KARL: Vice President Pence, thank you for joining us.

I want to start with the big Supreme Court decisions, specifically —

MIKE PENCE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you, Jon. Good to be on.

KARL: — specifically the decision ending affirmative action as we know it.

I understand you fully support this decision. But if the end result is that America’s most selective colleges and universities have fewer Black and Hispanic students, is that a problem for America?

PENCE: Well, look, I think I couldn’t be more proud of the progress we’ve made toward a more perfect union in my lifetime, the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s. And I think there was a time for affirmative action, Jon, were to open the doors of our colleges and universities to minority students and particularly African Americans who may have been denied access.

But I think those days are over. You know, it was Justice Sandra Day O’Connor who more than 20 years ago, said that she thought affirmative action would go away in 25 years, it went away a little sooner than that. And I think that’s a tribute to our minority students. The incredible accomplishments of African Americans and Asian Americans in this country and Hispanic Americans speaks for itself.

And I really believe that the decision by the Supreme Court today was an acknowledgement of the incredible progress that minority Americans have made, their extraordinary educational achievements, and I have every confidence that – that African Americans and other minority Americans are going to continue to compete and succeed in universities around the country, but we’re going to do it with a colorblind society that I – I think is the aspiration of every American.

KARL: But, respectfully, you didn’t answer my question. We’ve – we’ve seen what has happened in nine states that have banned affirmative action. We’ve seen in Michigan and California and Florida that after affirmative action was done away with, the result was that you saw fewer Hispanic and black students at their elite universities. So, again, my question to you, if that is the result here, is that a concern? Is that a concern for you?

PENCE: I just – look, I – I haven’t seen your studies. I don’t know the numbers. First job I ever had was as an admissions counselor at the college I graduated from. And all – I’m – I’m just very confident with the progress that we have made now in 2023, a fourth of the way through the 21st century, the achievements of African Americans, leaving aside the – the achievements of the first African American president, and African Americans all across the country. I’m just – I’m just very confident that African Americans, Hispanic Americans and other minorities are going to be able to compete and succeed. But we’re going to be able to do it with – with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s vision in place, that we’ll be judged not by the content – or judged by — not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character and by our own academic performance.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) suggested over the weekend that there are no checks on the U.S. Supreme Court and that there was nothing balancing out their power, despite the fact that those things exist.

The executive branch nominates justices to the Court and Congress has to approve those Justices and can even impeach them if necessary.

AOC made the remarks during a CNN interview on Sunday with host Dana Bash when asked about President Joe Biden saying last week that he opposes expanding the Court because “if we start the process of trying to expand the court, we’re going to politicize it maybe forever in a way that is not healthy.”

AOC said that she “truly” believes justices should have their power limited, even though no federal official has unlimited power.

“The courts, if they were to proceed without any check on their power, without any balance on their power, then we will start to see an undemocratic and, frankly, dangerous authoritarian expansion of power in the Supreme Court, which is what we are seeing now, from the overturning of abortion rights, to the ruling that discrimination and, frankly, stripping the full personhood and dignity of LGBTQ people in the United States,” she claimed.

“These are the types of rulings that signal a dangerous creep towards authoritarianism and centralization of power in the court,” she claimed. “In fact, we have members of the court themselves, with Justice Elena Kagan, saying that the court is beginning to assume the power of a legislature.”

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AOC: "The courts, if they were to proceed without any check on their power, without any balance on their power, then we will start to see an undemocratic and frankly dangerous authoritarian expansion of power in the Supreme Court, which is what we are seeing now." pic.twitter.com/pndYqziZHk

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) July 2, 2023

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DANA BASH: Congresswoman, you have called on President Biden to expand the Supreme Court to 13 justices.

But even after Roe was overruled last year and this past week, what we saw with affirmative action and other cases, I want you to listen to what President Biden said. He just said this on Thursday on MSNBC.

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BIDEN: I think, if we start the process of trying to expand the court, we’re going to politicize it maybe forever in a way that is not healthy.

NICOLLE WALLACE, MSNBC HOST: That you can’t get back?

BIDEN: That I can’t get back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BASH: I’d like you to respond to that.

And, also, you mentioned a moment ago judicial review. Are you also saying that the justices’ power should somehow be limited?

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: I truly do. And this is not a new development in history. This is part of our system of checks and balances.

The courts, if they were to proceed without any check on their power, without any balance on their power, then we will start to see an undemocratic and, frankly, dangerous authoritarian expansion of power in the Supreme Court, which is what we are seeing now, from the overturning of abortion rights, to the ruling that discrimination and, frankly, stripping the full personhood and dignity of LGBTQ people in the United States.

This is — these are the types of rulings that signal a dangerous creep towards authoritarianism and centralization of power in the court. In fact, we have members of the court themselves, with Justice Elena Kagan, saying that the court is beginning to assume the power of a legislature.

BASH: Congresswoman…

OCASIO-CORTEZ: And, right now, whether it is expansion of the court…

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