Daily Wire host Michael Knowles sat down with a former psychic for an interview released Saturday where the two discuss how common divination has become in America and how it delves into the spiritual world.

Jen Nizza told Knowles that she was thrown into the psychic world at an early age due to the influence of her mother, aunt, and sister. She said that her experiences with tarot cards, which she called a “stepping stone,” and other divinatory practices convinced her at a young age that she had a gift. Nizza continued to pursue the practice and eventually became a professional psychic.

“When I was a real psychic medium, I really wanted to help people. I was told I had a gift from God. There’s that little that you know, and that draws you in, right? Because you’re thinking, this is a gift. This is so helpful. This person is nice and compassionate, and we’re hugging and crying.”

Nizza said she made a lot of money as a psychic, charging “hundreds of dollars” for a reading. She also led her own divination classes, but the practice soon began upsetting her and she eventually converted to Christianity.

“I wasn’t scared until I started seeing scary things and hearing scary things and getting touched by demons because think about the devil giving you this power. You like to have pride. You like to have power, right?” she asked.

Nizza, who practiced divination in Long Island, said the business is booming in the Big Apple, arguing that the increasingly “godless culture” means more people will turn to demonic practices, wanting knowledge and power. The former psychic warned that it’s easy to get sucked into the practice because it’s veiled as something innocent — or even Christian.

“This is the deception, Michael, that people really do need to know … because they’re going to use God’s words and even prayers,” Nizza said. “And that’s another way to suck you into something that is so demonic.”

“That’s all New Age, right? New Age uses some real religious language and then jumbles it up with all sorts of demonic stuff,” Knowles replied. “Which is, you know, it says it in the Bible that, you know, Lucifer can come, Satan can come as an angel of light.”

Divination is also “addictive,” Nizza said, explaining that her psychic business grew tremendously just by word of mouth as her readings were often accurate. Knowles said he found it interesting that people kept coming back to a psychic, saying it showed that the practice doesn’t actually help people.

“If the psychic came in and fixed your problem, well, I guess that person wouldn’t be a psychic. And the powers that control the psychic experience wouldn’t be who they are either,” Knowles said. 

“Well, you hit the nail on the head,” Nizza replied. “It’s a hamster wheel, but that’s all it is. But they’re getting a taste of something that fulfills them for 50 minutes. Yeah, And then because it’s not what they’re really needing, right? They’re looking for peace. They’re looking for joy, They’re looking for answers. They’re looking for wisdom, they’re looking for knowledge. But they’re going to the wrong time for that. They’re going to the demonic side of this, not to God.”

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The White House counsel’s office held a meeting with a top aide to Special Counsel Jack Smith and an FBI agent around two months before Smith charged former President Donald Trump for allegedly mishandling classified documents. 

Smith’s top aide, Jay Bratt, met with Caroline Seba, deputy chief of staff for the White House counsel’s office, on March 31, according to White House visitor logs, the New York Post reported. Danielle Ray, an FBI agent in the Washington, D.C., field office, also joined Bratt and Seba at the meeting. 

Trump was indicted on June 8 in the classified documents case that Smith was appointed to oversee as special counsel. The visitor logs don’t provide any information on what was discussed at the meeting between Smith’s aide, the White House counsel’s office, and the FBI, but former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said this looks like a coordinated prosecution of the former president, who is also Biden’s chief political rival. 

“There is no legitimate purpose for a line [DOJ] guy to be meeting with the White House except if it’s coordinated by the highest levels,” Giuliani said, according to the New York Post. 

“What’s happening is they have trashed every ethical rule that exists and they have created a state police. It is a Biden state prosecutor and a Biden state police,” the former New York City mayor added. 

Trump pleaded not guilty to 40 counts relating to his handling of classified documents that were seized during an FBI raid of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida. Bratt reportedly visited the estate in June 2022, two months before the raid, and interacted with Trump. Bratt then pushed for a warrant for the unannounced raid on Trump’s property, according to The Washington Post. According to the report, Bratt’s temper flared during the meeting when he told FBI agents that they could no longer trust the former president or his lawyers. 

Smith also indicted Trump on additional felony charges for his alleged role in seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election, pointing to the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot as an “unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy.” Smith was appointed special counsel in both the classified documents case and the 2020 election case by Attorney General Merrick Garland. 

George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told the New York Post that the meeting between Bratt, the White House, and the FBI “raises obvious concerns about visits to the White House after [Bratt] began his work with the special counsel.”

“There is no reason why the Justice Department should not be able to confirm whether this meeting was related to the ongoing investigation or concerns some other matter,” Turley said. 

A spokesman for the special counsel told the Post that Bratt was at the White House “case-related interview,” and the FBI declined to comment on the meeting.